Depending on who you ask, this feud started at different times. One thing that ICP points out is somewhere at the beginning back when Eminem was still a local nobody in Detroit trying to get exposure. He was having a little concert party thing going on and made flyers for it. On the flyers, under a category of "MIGHT Make An Appearance" was about 30 of Detroit's biggest local acts from Esham to House of Krazees to, yes, ICP. That flyer story you have heard is true. There is scanned pics of the flyer floating around the Internet. Hard to find, but they're there.

Anyway, the feud really got heated up in 1998 when Eminem took shots at ICP on the Howard Stern show. He was interviewing Eminem and asking him what his opinion was on other local Detroit musicians. He names off Kiss, Kid Rock, etc. and then, when he says ICP, Eminem replied by saying, "Who? Oh, them guys, yeah, we used to beat their asses all the time back in the day", or some such shit like that.

The next day, Howard had ICP on the show and told them what he had said, to which Violent J replied, "We don't even know that bitch!"

ICP hit the studio, along with Twiztid and a copy of Eminem's song "My Name Is..." with Madrox, doing a dead-on Eminem voice, changed the lyrics to the song and dissed the hell out of Eminem. The song was entitled "Slim Anus" and got played on The Juggalo Show, Mancow's show, The Howard Stern Show, and eventually found CD release on Psychopathics From Outer Space.

Eminem responded with a diss on his album, The Marshall Mathers LP. On the song entitled "Marshall Mathers", he launches a verbal attack at ICP, saying:

Plus I was put here to put fear
In fags who spray Faygo root beer
And call themselves clowns cuz they look queer
Faggy 2 Dope and Silent Gay
Claiming Detroit, when y'all live 20 miles away
And I don't wrestle, I'll knock you fuckin' faggots the fuck out
Ask 'em about the club they was at when they snuck out
After they ducked out the back when they saw us and bugged out
Ducked down and got paintballs shot at their truck
Look at y'all runnin' your mouths again
When you ain't seen a fuckin' Mile Rd. south of 10
And I don't need help from D12
To beat up two females
In make up who may try to scractch me with Lee Nails
Slim Anus? You damn right, Slim Anus
I don't get fucked in mine like you two little flaming faggots.

Also, on the very next track, a skit entitled "Ken Kaniff" was a simulated gay sex track with J and Shaggy.

Later that year, Eminem found himself in trouble with the law 2 times in 2 days. One of those times involved him pulling a gun on Douglas Dail, otherwise known to juggalos as Dougie Doug. He is the brother of Psychopathic Don, Billy Bill. An altercation took place between them apparently, and Eminem pulled a gun out on Dougie. He was later arrested for it and eventually got probation or some shit.

It only added fuel to the fire and ICP responded that year on the 4th of July when the released the song "Nothin' But A Bitch Thang" on their website for free download. The song was a BRUTAL diss, tagging out to not only Eminem, but his wife, daughter and producer, Dr. Dre, as well.

During Eminem's Up In Smoke Tour, part of Eminem's stage act included 2 blowup dolls painted up like ICP in which he put them in gay positions, kicked em' around, etc. etc. Also, in one of his newest songs 'Business' the chorus says:-

"Let's get down to business,
I ain't got no time to play around what is this?
Must be a circus in town,
Let's shut the shit down on these clowns,
Can I get a witness."

ICP later released a new Eminem diss song on their album "Bizaar", called "Please don't hate me".

ICP VS MARZ

Marz became a part of the Psychopathic world in late 2000 when he joined ICP on the Bizzar/Bizzar Tour. When he joined the tour, along with a band called Insolence, Marz was actually the name of a band on the tour. Simply put, the band wasn't working out too well and so the lead singer of the band fired the rest of the group and took the name Marz for himself and started rapping solo. That, in a nutshell, is the Marz you know today.

During the course of this tour, ICP and Marz became good friends. Mostly it was Marz and Violent J. Also, during this time, ICP was in the early-to-mid-stages of recording the first ever, long awaited Dark Lotus album Tales From The Lotus Pod.

The friendship between Marz and ICP was growing so strongly that eventually, (maybe in a moment of weakness or something), Violent J asked Marz to join Dark Lotus as the 6th member. In his book, Behind The Paint Violent J says that he never should have asked Marz to be a part of the group and that everyone else in the group was kinda iffy on it to begin with but J didn't listen.

So they began to record the album, with Marz making an appearance on over half of the songs as the 6th member. During this time, a lot of other things were going down with Marz and Psychopathic. They were trying to get Marz out of his current contract with E-magine Entertainment so that he could sign to Psychopathic. And even though he wasn't on the label yet, Marz still managed to get onto the Psychopathic 2001 Sampler CD, which featured clips of his album Lung Fu Mo She as well as a song called "Fuck Dem" by ICP and Marz. It seemed everything was rolling along smoothly between Psychopathic and Marz.

At the Gathering of the Juggalos in 2001, Tales From The Lotus Pod was finally released and the juggalos loved it. Marz fit in pretty damn good with the feel of the album and juggalos were on his jock. Marz performed a solo concert at the Gathering that year and also took the stage for the first ever Dark Lotus performance that year at the Gathering.

It would be the last time Marz ever took the stage with Lotus again.

Merely a few weeks after the Gathering of the Juggalos in 2001, Dark Lotus announced an upcoming in-store tour for the next month. The lineup was Violent J, Shaggy, Monoxide, Madrox, Blaze, and....that was it. Marz was missing from the lineup and no one was talking. Speculation abounded as to why Marz wasn't listed as part of the group.

Finally, InsaneClownPosse.com made an update announcing that Marz had been dropped from the group because of legal troubles between Psychopathic and E-magine Entertainment. The statement stated that regardless of this, there was no beef and Psychopathic still had mad love for Marz and all his people.

But it turns out that wasn't the case.

Marz quickly hit up the big time juggalo websites, doing interviews and giving his side of the story. He claimed that Psychopathic (namely Violent J) got pissed because Marz was trying to "steal the fanbase." Saying that Marz wasn't on Psychopathic and was going around promoting to juggalos and acting like he WAS on Psychopathic so juggalos would listen to his shit. That was Marz's side of the story.

Violent J later said that it was nothing like that at all, but simply legal issues. They were trying to get Marz but E-magine wouldn't let him go without all kinds of money and it wasn't worth the trouble. Plus they were wanting a cut of the money from the Lotus album after saying beforehand that they wouldn't try to get royalties from it. That was J's side.

Regardless who's side of the story you believed, the fact of the matter was, no one was buying the idea that there was no beef between the 2 parties. This was more evident when Marz decided to release a song called "The Real Dark Lotus" on his website. The song was hyped for a little while and when it was released, the song was a diss aimed at ICP featuring, among other things, the line "I'm the 6th joker's card."

Violent J responded in 2002. Tales From The Lotus Pod was re-released at the 2002 Gathering, except this time, Marz's vocals had been deleted and ABK had replaced him. On the song "Bitch I'm Sexy", Violent J says "Hey yo Marz...you never were Lotus, and you know this, bitch!"

Marz took to the internet this time to respond. In an interview conducted by RealJuggahos.com, Marz dissed Violent J, Jumpsteady, and Monoxide Child. His reasons for dissing Jumpsteady aren't really clear, but he dissed Monoxide because, in a 2002 interview with RJ, Monoxide had some pretty unkind things to say about Marz. You can read that interview here.

That wasn't all though. Marz also took a webcam picture of himself holding a gun and pointing it at the camera....yes, he really did this. And the caption on the picture said "Hey Joe, call me a bitch again you fat motherfucker" or something along those lines. I'm not making this up.

The Psychopathic camp didn't really comment much on it anymore, but the story wasn't quite done. In early 2003, Twiztid had their own Green Book Tour lined up. Apparently, Twiztid and Marz patched things up because Marz was scheduled to open up for Twiztid on the tour. It looked like everything was all gravy until the very first show of the tour when Marz got dropped.

Psychopathic never really explained why they were dropped, but Marz did an interview and gave his story: he says Violent J came out and talked to Twiztid and made them drop Marz off the tour. Whether that's the case or not, I guess we'll never know, but that was Marz's story.

The saga, for now, ended with one last bit from Violent J. In his book Behind The Paint which came out at the GOTJ in 2003, he discussed the situation with Marz and Dark Lotus. J revealed that he actually hates listening to the first Dark Lotus album because it feels "tainted" by having Marz on it. To him it's just not right and he doesn't like listening to it, performing it, or anything. That album was made in a bad period in his life and he just hates the whole fuckin' thing.

If that's the end, who knows. Marz still has some sort of small ties to Psychopathic, however. In late 2003, Marz performed a short, small-venue tour with former Psychopathic rapper Myzery. Otherwise, this is where the story ends....for now.

Props to RealJuggalos.com for this info!